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tigerauge Captain's Finest

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Posted: 10.06.2005, 20:24 Post subject: |
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Ich habe mir die Folge heute mal wieder angeschaut. Und ich glaube die hat das Zeug eine meiner Lieblingsfolgen zu werden.
Einerseit fand ich es toll, wie sich Peter die Sicherheit der Menschen in Chinatown zur persönlichen Sache gemacht hat.
Zum anderen fand ich es irre gut, wie Chris es tatsächlich geschafft hat die Veränderung in Peter darzustellen,
nachdem er das Chi seines Vaters übernommen hat und Clarence stellt. Er strahlt plötzlich tatsächlich eine Ruhe aus,
die man von Peter absolut nicht kennt.
So könnte ich mir Peter gut als Shaolin vorstellen, nach ein paar Jahren Praxis und wenn er seinen Weg gefunden hat.
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I watched this ep today. I think it will became one of my favorite eps. On one hand I liked Peter making it a personal business
to restore security to the people in Chinatown. On the other hand I got impressed by the way Chris performed the change
in Peter's behaviour after he took over his father's chi and while challenging Clarence. He realy emanates such a calmness,
which we know Peter doesn't own for himself.
That's the way I imagine Peter could become after some years of practice as shaolin._________________
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nointerest Hotshot Cop

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tigerauge Captain's Finest

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Posted: 10.06.2005, 23:05 Post subject: |
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Ich denke ein guter Schauspieler zeichnet sich eben dadurch aus, dass er völlig verschiedene Charaktere glaubhaft darstellen kann.
Und das können beide, sowohl David als auch Chris.
| nointerest wrote: | | Auch sonst ist die Story inhaltlich sehr schön! Und auch hier ging es schon etwas mysthischer zu |
Wahrscheinlich ist es auch das, was mir an der Episode gefällt, denn gerade auch die Mysthik ist es, die für mich die Serie ausmacht.
I think the main quality of a realy good actor is exactly this, he being able to perform believably several completely different characters.
And both of them, Chris and David, have this ability.
| nointerest wrote: | | And the story itself is also very nice. And even here there was this mystic element viewable |
Of course, the mystic element is also another reason that makes this ep so interesting for me, as I belive this mysticism is
a very important part for me to like this show._________________
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lindafun Chief of Chit-Chat

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Tigerfeet Squadroom-Cleaner
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tigerauge Captain's Finest

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Posted: 13.06.2005, 21:40 Post subject: |
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Nun, ganz so stimmt das glaube ich nicht. Anfangs versucht Peter seinen Vater doch davon abzubringen
Clarence zu besuchen, weil er es für unsinnig hält. Und weil er nicht glaubt, dass Clarence sich je ändern wird.
Wobei du natürlich Recht hast, das entspringt sicher mehr einem gesunden Realitätsbewußtsein,
als persönlichen Rachegefühlen. Aber ein klein bisschen so was schwingt schon mit._________________
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lindafun Chief of Chit-Chat

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tigerauge Captain's Finest

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Posted: 14.06.2005, 12:06 Post subject: |
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Tigerfeet said she was impressed about Peter not feeling angry or revengeful or having any other negativ feelings towards Clarence. Regarding what he did to him she thinks it shows the strength of his character, not even thinking of.
I answered that in my view indeed in the beginning he had some negativ feelings as he tries to convince Caine not to meet with Clarence. He think it's useless, cause Clarence would never have change. Of course this feeling is much more originated in his sense of reality then in personell feelings of anger. _________________
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lindafun Chief of Chit-Chat

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Posted: 15.06.2005, 14:36 Post subject: |
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I always wondered why Caine never felt that Clarence was betraying him. Usually he has such insight to people that he feels if someone's lying.
Do you all think it might possible, that Caine already knew from the beginning that Clarence was lying, but let him get away with it on purpose, because he knew if Clarence would escape, he would have another upportunity to teach Peter the way of a Shaolin?_________________ "What I would or wouldn't do in this situation doesn't count, because it probably would be very scary."
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nointerest Hotshot Cop

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Posted: 15.06.2005, 17:44 Post subject: |
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I am not sure if Caine knew Clarance from the beginning. I mean his betraying.
Maybe, if he knew - maybe he had seen a chance to let this tong or whatever this group was suffer a great defeat. He also visited this other group-leader.
I do not think that Caine would have risked so many lives (not only Peters stood at question) only for the purpose of a teaching. He could have that quite more easier and more secure to the community of Chinatown.
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tigerauge Captain's Finest

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Posted: 16.06.2005, 23:34 Post subject: |
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Ich glaube nicht, dass Caine sich von Clarence hat täuschen lassen.
Allerdings wäre es schon möglich, dass er sich einerseit tatsächlich an seine Überzeugung gebunden sah,
jedem eine 2. Chance einzuräumen. Die hat er ihm gegeben, indem er sich persönlich rausgehalten hat.
Zum anderen war es wohl notwendig, Clarence in aller Öffentlichkeit vor den Tong unmöglich zu machen,
um ihn dauerhaft von seinen Machtplänen abzubringen. Das war aber um ein vielfaches effektiver, nachdem
nicht Caine sondern Peter ihn nach außen hin bezwungen hat.
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I think Caine knew Clarence was deceiving him.
But maybe he really felt obliged to giving Clarence a 2nd chance. And he did it, by not interfering in person.
On the other hand it certainly was necessary to discredit Clarence in public in order to stop once for all his plans
to take over the controll on that Tong group. And of course this worked much better by Clarence being defeated by
Peter and not by Caine._________________
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FuAddict5578 Squadroom-Cleaner

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Posted: 28.10.2005, 08:06 Post subject: |
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This epsidoe was awesome. This is the one where Peter defeats Clarence in that shopping mall right? I love the part where Peter gets some of Caine's skills to defeat Clarence. That guys was totally scum.
Amy
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