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PostPosted: 09.11.2004, 18:49    Post subject: II/15 Caine und der Krieg der Banden / Aspects of the Soul Reply with quote




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In Chinatown herrscht Krieg zwischen zwei Rivalisierenden Gruppen. Peter Caine soll die Vorfälle untersuchen. Es stellt sich heraus, daß der Verbrecher Clarence Choi die Herrschaft über Chinatown übernehmen will. Clarence Choi ist ein Meister der Kampftechnik Chi Coo. Peter muss Choi in dieser Kampftechnik besiegen, will er das Schlimmste verhindern.



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PostPosted: 10.06.2005, 20:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich habe mir die Folge heute mal wieder angeschaut. Und ich glaube die hat das Zeug eine meiner Lieblingsfolgen zu werden.
Einerseit fand ich es toll, wie sich Peter die Sicherheit der Menschen in Chinatown zur persönlichen Sache gemacht hat.
Zum anderen fand ich es irre gut, wie Chris es tatsächlich geschafft hat die Veränderung in Peter darzustellen,
nachdem er das Chi seines Vaters übernommen hat und Clarence stellt. Er strahlt plötzlich tatsächlich eine Ruhe aus,
die man von Peter absolut nicht kennt.

So könnte ich mir Peter gut als Shaolin vorstellen, nach ein paar Jahren Praxis und wenn er seinen Weg gefunden hat.
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I watched this ep today. I think it will became one of my favorite eps. On one hand I liked Peter making it a personal business
to restore security to the people in Chinatown. On the other hand I got impressed by the way Chris performed the change
in Peter's behaviour after he took over his father's chi and while challenging Clarence. He realy emanates such a calmness,
which we know Peter doesn't own for himself.

That's the way I imagine Peter could become after some years of practice as shaolin.



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PostPosted: 10.06.2005, 22:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich kann Dir da nur zustimmen. Chris spielt richtig die Mimik und Ghestik und überhaupt die ganze Körpersprache von David. Das stell ich mir total schwierig vor.
Auch sonst ist die Story inhaltlich sehr schön! Und auch hier ging es schon etwas mysthischer zu Sehr glücklich

I can only agree to that. Chris is really playing the mimik and gesticulation and all the body language of David. This I do imagine as very difficult.
And the story itself is also very nice. And even here there was this mystic element viewable Sehr glücklich


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PostPosted: 10.06.2005, 23:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich denke ein guter Schauspieler zeichnet sich eben dadurch aus, dass er völlig verschiedene Charaktere glaubhaft darstellen kann.
Und das können beide, sowohl David als auch Chris. Sehr glücklich

nointerest wrote:
Auch sonst ist die Story inhaltlich sehr schön! Und auch hier ging es schon etwas mysthischer zu

Wahrscheinlich ist es auch das, was mir an der Episode gefällt, denn gerade auch die Mysthik ist es, die für mich die Serie ausmacht.

I think the main quality of a realy good actor is exactly this, he being able to perform believably several completely different characters.
And both of them, Chris and David, have this ability.Sehr glücklich


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And the story itself is also very nice. And even here there was this mystic element viewable

Of course, the mystic element is also another reason that makes this ep so interesting for me, as I belive this mysticism is
a very important part for me to like this show.



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PostPosted: 11.06.2005, 02:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this just shows the skills that both Chris and David have. They can approach their characters and do so much with them. We see how Peter uses his father's chi to strengthen himself and then is able to defeat Clarence.



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PostPosted: 13.06.2005, 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was ich besonders gut an der Folge fand, war, das Peter keinerlei Rachegedanken, Wut oder anderes gegen Clarence empfand. Immerhin hat er ihn seiner Zeit mit den Drogen voll gepumt.

Ich finde, das beweist Charakterstärke von ihm. Er denkt nicht mal daran! Winken



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PostPosted: 13.06.2005, 21:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nun, ganz so stimmt das glaube ich nicht. Anfangs versucht Peter seinen Vater doch davon abzubringen
Clarence zu besuchen, weil er es für unsinnig hält. Und weil er nicht glaubt, dass Clarence sich je ändern wird.

Wobei du natürlich Recht hast, das entspringt sicher mehr einem gesunden Realitätsbewußtsein,
als persönlichen Rachegefühlen. Aber ein klein bisschen so was schwingt schon mit.



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PostPosted: 13.06.2005, 22:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14.06.2005, 12:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tigerfeet said she was impressed about Peter not feeling angry or revengeful or having any other negativ feelings towards Clarence. Regarding what he did to him she thinks it shows the strength of his character, not even thinking of.

I answered that in my view indeed in the beginning he had some negativ feelings as he tries to convince Caine not to meet with Clarence. He think it's useless, cause Clarence would never have change. Of course this feeling is much more originated in his sense of reality then in personell feelings of anger.



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PostPosted: 15.06.2005, 05:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

well clarence convinces Caine he changed when in fact he had not. SO in a way Peter is right.



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PostPosted: 15.06.2005, 14:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered why Caine never felt that Clarence was betraying him. Usually he has such insight to people that he feels if someone's lying.

Do you all think it might possible, that Caine already knew from the beginning that Clarence was lying, but let him get away with it on purpose, because he knew if Clarence would escape, he would have another upportunity to teach Peter the way of a Shaolin?



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PostPosted: 15.06.2005, 14:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich fand die Folge auch sehr gut gemacht. Habe sie gestern erst gesehen und mußte mal wieder schmunzel, als Peter am Ende Caine fragte wie er denn so leben könne ohne die Frauen und dann kommt Peter's Kollegin um die Ecke Lachen Und die beiden stratzen davon mit dem Hinweis er, Peter solle nicht auf sie warten, es könnte spät werden Lachen
Und die Szene mit der Kerze fand ich sehr gut gelungen Ausrufezeichen



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PostPosted: 15.06.2005, 17:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure if Caine knew Clarance from the beginning. I mean his betraying.

Maybe, if he knew - maybe he had seen a chance to let this tong or whatever this group was suffer a great defeat. He also visited this other group-leader.

I do not think that Caine would have risked so many lives (not only Peters stood at question) only for the purpose of a teaching. He could have that quite more easier and more secure to the community of Chinatown.


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PostPosted: 16.06.2005, 19:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Caine realized that Clarence was being dishonest. I think he wanted to give him a chance.

Then later he realized his mistake and had to help Peter rectify it.



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Ich glaube nicht, dass Caine sich von Clarence hat täuschen lassen.
Allerdings wäre es schon möglich, dass er sich einerseit tatsächlich an seine Überzeugung gebunden sah,
jedem eine 2. Chance einzuräumen. Die hat er ihm gegeben, indem er sich persönlich rausgehalten hat.
Zum anderen war es wohl notwendig, Clarence in aller Öffentlichkeit vor den Tong unmöglich zu machen,
um ihn dauerhaft von seinen Machtplänen abzubringen. Das war aber um ein vielfaches effektiver, nachdem
nicht Caine sondern Peter ihn nach außen hin bezwungen hat.

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I think Caine knew Clarence was deceiving him.
But maybe he really felt obliged to giving Clarence a 2nd chance. And he did it, by not interfering in person.
On the other hand it certainly was necessary to discredit Clarence in public in order to stop once for all his plans
to take over the controll on that Tong group. And of course this worked much better by Clarence being defeated by
Peter and not by Caine.



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PostPosted: 28.10.2005, 08:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

This epsidoe was awesome. This is the one where Peter defeats Clarence in that shopping mall right? I love the part where Peter gets some of Caine's skills to defeat Clarence. That guys was totally scum.



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PostPosted: 28.10.2005, 10:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich finde es toll, wie Chris da dargestellt hat, dass er Caines Chi aufgenommen hat - seine ganze Perönlichkeit war anders, er war viel ruhiger und besonnener. Der Mann ist eben ein guter Schauspieler!

I really like the scene in which Chris shows the changes he got in his personality by adopting Caine's chi. He became very calm and cool-headed, not like the Peter we know. This man can act! Sehr glücklich



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