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PostPosted: 09.11.2004, 18:34    Post subject: I/14 Caine und die Lackschachtel / The lacquered Box Reply with quote




Inhaltsangabe:
Clarence Choi hat sich in den Kopf gesetzt Caine zu töten. Er hinterlässt einen Koffer in Caines Haus, in dem sich eine Bombe befindet. Peter, der gerade seinen Vater besuchen möchte, kann sie zum Glück entschärfen. Als Rache locken die Gangster, mit Hilfe von zwei korrupten Polizisten, Peter in eine Drogenhöhle und spritzen ihm eine Überdosis. Caine findet den bewußtlosen Peter und schafft ihn zu sich nach Hause, um ihn gesund zu pflegen. Daraufhin überfallen Clarence und seine Gefolgsleute Caines Haus.




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PostPosted: 09.11.2004, 23:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this ep alot, I like the flashbacks. And did you know that originally there was supposed to be more scenes in the hospital. AND that it took longer to film this, the hospital scene was filmed separately and put in later.



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PostPosted: 10.11.2004, 12:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eine meiner absoluten Lieblingsfolgen. Das war genau der richtige Mix aus Gefühlen und Aktion. War mir ein wenig gefehlt hat, war halt die aktuelle Zeit mit Peter im Krankenhaus. Im einen Augenblick liegt er quasi im Sterben und dann ist er nahuzu kerngesund. Da hätte der Zeitsprung ruhig ein wenig kürzer sein dürfen. Naja, aber dafür war der Flashback perfekt. Zumindest in der ungekürzten Fassung.

One of my most favorite episodes. It was the right mix of feelings and action. I'd just loved to see more of the now time in the hospital. One moment Peter was nearly dying and then he sat in his hospital bed and appeared to be nearly recovered. There was something missing for me.


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PostPosted: 10.11.2004, 22:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean, Carmen, I wish they had had more angst. Remember how the doctor said at the beginning they had done all they could do for him, now it was up to Peter and that was when Caine cried Winken I wish they had showed more, like it was touch and go and then Peter's eyes fluttering and the relief on Pops face Sehr glücklich



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PostPosted: 11.11.2004, 05:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also like this episode a lot, but there's also something I don't like. I still miss Annie in this episode. She as a mother would never ever leave Peter in the hospital alone with just Caine.
Sadly, those are the things I feel are lacking in the continuation of the series.



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PostPosted: 11.11.2004, 16:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe she was sitting in the waiting room at that moment or discussing Peter's condition with the doctor. Of course I would have liked to see her, but I can also understand that apparently there wasn't time for her in the episode. So I simply imagine a situation with her and won't let it spoil the episode. Most shows aren't 24, so we have to use our imagination for the lacking scenes.


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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 00:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

they under utlized the Blaisdell Woman. Annie and the girls would have been there in this ep and in the BARDO ep. I would have been there too (no one mentions where was Peter's girlfriend Linda Auf den Arm nehmen)



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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 08:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lacquered Box is my absolut favorite Episode.
Off course, there should have been more of Peters friends or family around. But it was Caine who remember the Story with his son.
I don`t know exactly why, but the sentence Peter said to his father (I don`t exactly remember but it was something about that Caine wasn`t around when his son need him) make me cry a little. I know exactly how Caine must be felt in this moment.

Also you see much of Peters gorgeous body. Winken



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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 09:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

lindafun wrote:
(no one mentions where was Peter's girlfriend Linda Auf den Arm nehmen)


How could we forget you, Linda? Sehr glücklich


I also liked this episode, and I wished there`d been a mention of Annie and the rest of the Blaisdell-Clan. Weinen I mean, where was Paul in this situation?

Wie konnten wir nur Linda vergessen?

Mir gefällt die Episode auch sehr gut. Allerdings hätte auch ich mir gewünscht, dass sie Annie und den Rest der Blaisdellfamilie erwähnt hätten. Ich meine, Paul wäre in so einer Situation doch sicherlich auch an der Seite seines Sohnes gewesen oder nicht?



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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 16:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, nachdem sich hier schon jeder geäußert hat... mach ichs auch.
Ich weiß, ich werde wohl ziemlich allein stehen, aber ich mag die Folge nicht so gut.
Sie langweilt mich. Teilweise ist sie ok, der Part als Caine Peter auf Entzug gesetzt hat. Die Vater-Sohn-Sache. Das mag ich sehr.
Die Bombenentschärfung ist ein Lacher, die Arbeit am Haus war auch ok.

Aber die Main-Story, das Zeug - das gefällt mir nicht. Ich mag generell ja die 1. Season nicht so. Vater und Sohn tanzen mir da noch zu umeinander herum.

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OK, after everybody made his/her comment, I will do the same. I know, I will be very lonly in that, but I dont like that episode so much.
The ep bores me. Sometimes its ok. The drug-withdrawl (??) of Peter - thats good. The father-son-part in that (and the rebuilding) i like very much. The disarming of the bumb is funny.

But the main-story, this stuff - I dont like. I dont like the first season in general. Father and son are dancing around each other (sorry, I dont know the correct english expression for that).


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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 17:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ist schon irgendwie witzig, wie man eine Serie so unterschiedlich sehen kann. Ich fand gerade das Herantasten von Vater und Sohn in der ersten Staffel so interessant. Wie glaubwürdig wäre es denn gewesen, wenn sie plötzlich nach 15 Jahren so tun, als wären sie nie getrennt gewesen?


I think it's almost funny that two people can judge a season so differently. Imho especially the getting to know of father and son is the most interesting part of season 1. How believable would it have been if they just conitnued after 15 years as if never something happened before.


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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

cpfan wrote:
Wie glaubwürdig wäre es denn gewesen, wenn sie plötzlich nach 15 Jahren so tun, als wären sie nie getrennt gewesen?


Nicht so richtig, da stimm ich Dir voll zu. Wobei Peter ist in den ersten Staffeln teilweis schon heftig mies zu seinem Vater ist, teilweise sogar ohne es zu merken . Aber die Entwicklung von der 1. zur 4. Staffel ist schon enorm.

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How believable would it have been if they just conitnued after 15 years as if never something happened before.


No really mutch, I agree with you. Peter make his father sometimes very blue in the first Season. Sometimes without mentioned it. But the differences between the first and the fourth Season are really big.



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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 21:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicht, dass ich Peter jetzt in den Schutz nehmen möchte, aber man darf ja auch nicht außer Acht lassen, dass er zu dem Zeitpunkt Caine unbewusst immer noch die Schuld an den verpassten 15 Jahren gegeben hat. Das war sicherlich ein reiner Schutzmechanismus aus der Zeit nach der Zerstörung des Tempels und sowas legt man nicht einfach ab. Und es kam ja noch dazu, dass Caine in Peter oft immer noch den kleinen Jungen gesehen hat, während Peter natürlich in den letzten 15 Jahren eine nicht unerhebliche Veränderung durchgemacht hat. Ich werde auch grantig, wenn mich mein Vater wie ein Kind behandelt.


I don't try to excuse Peter's behaviour, but we shouldn't forget that even unknowingly at this time he still blamed his father for the missed 15 years. Surely it was some kind of selfprotection from the time after the temple was destroyed and something like this you can't simply put away. And don't forget that Caine often sees Peter as the young child, while Peter during the last 15 years made some not irrelevant changes. And btw, I get huffy too when my father trieds me like a kid.


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PostPosted: 12.11.2004, 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie wrote:
Aber die Entwicklung von der 1. zur 4. Staffel ist schon enorm.


Für mich macht gerade die Entwicklung der Vater-Sohn-Beziehung den eigentlichen Reiz der Serie aus: vom Wiedersehen, über das Wiederkennenlernen, die gegenseitige Akzeptanz bis hin zum echten Miteinander und Füreinanderdasein. (War das jetzt zu pathetisch?)

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But the differences between the first and the fourth Season are really big.


I think that the development of the father-son-relationship over the whole series is what makes the show so interesting: from the reunion, on to getting to know each other again and accepting each other for what he is, up to beeing a real team and carring for each other. (Is this kind of too pathetic?)



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PostPosted: 13.11.2004, 00:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich mag prinzipiell diese Entwicklung ja auch - bzw. ist die 1. und 2. Staffel nötig um alles zu verstehen. Aber das ist manchmal ein derartiger Eiertanz...
In der 3. und 4. Staffel haben sie immer noch Probleme - hi und da. Aber die grundsätzlichen Dinge sind geklärt, sie haben einander irgendwie vergeben und sich aneinander gewöhnt.
Caine behandelt Peter bestimmt nicht aus Spaß wie ein kleines Kind. Nur er hat genauso seine Probleme mit der 15jährigen Trennung bzw. der Zusammenkunft als "veränderte Männer" zu kämpfen. Wären sie beieinander geblieben hätte er diese Veränderungen miterlebt und sich automatisch angepaßt.

In general I like the development of their relationship too - and we need Season 1 and 2 to understand all tasks better. But sometimes its a really like "dancing around eggs" (I dont know any original expressions in english...).
In season 3 and 4 they still HAVE their problems, here and there. But the general things are clear, they have forgiven each other in a way and they are used to each other again.
I harldy believe that Caine treats peter like a child for fun. But he has his own problems with the abscission of 15 years and their reunion as "different men". Would they have been stayed together, he would have seen the changes and would have accommodated automatically.


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PostPosted: 13.11.2004, 01:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Carmen, I think anyone who has been separated from someone for a long time would have a hard time just picking up where things left off. in RL when a parent and child have been separated for any period of time it would be impossible to just act like those years of separation never happened. And in this case it's been 15 years. Peter was a kid when he and Caine were ripped from each other. Peter is a man, he is having problems adjusting to seeing his father again and I don't think Caine knows how to be a father to an 'adult' peter so he is fumbling around too. BUT they love each other and from that foundation all things are possible.



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Da gibt es einen klitzekleinen Moment, den ich besonders mag. Er ist so kurz, daß er eigentlich kaum auffällt... Fast am Ende, als Peter seinem Vater das Messer überreicht, das er aus dem Tempel gerettet hat und sie noch darüber reden, ob er hätte schießen sollen oder nicht.

Peter wendet seinen Blick nach dem Gespräch dann schon fast der Tür zu, weil LoSi davor steht. In diesem Moment schaut Caine auf das Messer und haucht ein "Danke".

Ich finde, es klingt wirklich ehrlich berührt und gibt dadurch für den Bruchteil von Sekunden einen winzigen Einblick in Caines Gefühlswelt.



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WOW Kira, das ist mir nie aufgefallen! Da muß ich gleich mal drauf achten (ist ja nicht so daß ich mir die Folge NIE anschaue Winken ).

YEAH Kira, I never recognized that moment! I have to look at it immediatly (its not that i DONT look this episode Winken ).

And Linda:
"fumbling around" is exactly the word (you know what I mean, what I was not able to explain you).


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PostPosted: 14.11.2004, 04:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

let's try this again shall we?



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PostPosted: 01.04.2005, 12:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ist euch eigentlich der Blooper der Folge aufgefallen.

Als Peter da bewusstlos am Boden liegt und Caine ihm die Kräuter verabreicht ist sein Shirt noch sauber und Caines Beutel weit und breit nicht zu sehen, als Caine Peter dann aber anhebt hat der plötzlich das ganze T-Shirt voll und Caines Beutel liegt achtlos auf dem Boden als hätte er halt sehr hastig gehandelt. Passt schon ins geschehen, nur hätte man die Kräuter schon früher verstreut rumliegen sehen müssen.


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